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Post » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:45 pm

I also believe in evolution. Not only did Darwin get it right, he nailed it on the head, without even being aware that DNA existed. Genetics may not have proved the theory yet, but there's such a mountain of evidence to support it that you really have to be blind to dismiss it.

So let's ask science and genetics in one hand, and ask God in the other, and see which fills up faster.

It also seems strange to me that, historically speaking, as power moves away from the Church and into the hands of the populace, the Church has begrudgingly redacted or revised it's views and tagged along behind science in an effort to seem relevant. Just a few years ago no Christian would even entertain the idea that evolution exists, and now most of them say "well, yes... but God started it." A few years before that no Christian would entertain the idea that the earth was more than, what, 6000 years old? As in literally 6000 years old, not figuratively. Now a good number also agree with the evidence that science has set before them.

And let us not forget the time that Galileo was imprisoned for (rightly) defending Copernican theory. The Church dictated that the earth was the center of the universe. This fact was so ingrained in the Church's ideology that they imprisoned a man for suggesting it might be wrong. And not just suggesting... but offering evidence. Now there isn't a Christian alive who believes that the earth is the center of the universe (except maybe a few wackos).

So how can Church doctrine be so absolutely true and yet so absolutely mutable? That fact alone, in my mind, undermines any remaining validity in what religion has to offer people.

Just my two cents, hope this thread doesn't go up in flames.
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Post » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:50 pm

[quote="Jeswen":37e8vk1l]who lit the match? [...] who made that match?[/quote:37e8vk1l]
Oh, so that's what they mean by "a match made in heaven" :D

I'm a materialist or atheist, take your pick. There are no gods; it's just that there are areas of cause-and-effect we don't understand, and some of it we may never work out. I'm fine with not understanding everything, and I think it's unhelpful to "explain" the dark areas by claiming there's a really really big person who did it and then hid behind a tree.
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:50 am

lol no worries deadeye :mrgreen:

we're all friendly peoples here, no arguments!
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:17 am

[quote="deadeye":1wwitnzx]So let's ask science and genetics in one hand, and ask God in the other, and see which fills up faster.[/quote:1wwitnzx]
Well in Bible everythings is simple, God created everything in 6 days on 7th day he rested and gave humans this day for them to rest too.

Also there is a funny thing about bible
[code:1wwitnzx]Genesis (New International Version)
13 And there was evening, and there was morningthe third day.

16 God made two great lightsthe greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

19 And there was evening, and there was morningthe fourth day. [/code:1wwitnzx]
Ok he crated Stars and other planets in one day but created Earth in 6 days?
What a ripoff he was slacking off :lol:
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:59 am

[quote="Ashley":29ikx2y8]It is impossible to prove the existance or nonexistance of God, so we will have people arguing in circles for all time![/quote:29ikx2y8]
Which is where faith comes in.
Do we care to acknowledge the amazing things around us, or the amazing things happening within us?

[quote="deadeye":29ikx2y8]I also believe in evolution. Not only did Darwin get it right, he nailed it on the head, without even being aware that DNA existed. Genetics may not have proved the theory yet, but there's such a mountain of evidence to support it that you really have to be blind to dismiss it.

So let's ask science and genetics in one hand, and ask God in the other, and see which fills up faster.

It also seems strange to me that, historically speaking, as power moves away from the Church and into the hands of the populace, the Church has begrudgingly redacted or revised it's views and tagged along behind science in an effort to seem relevant. Just a few years ago no Christian would even entertain the idea that evolution exists, and now most of them say "well, yes... but God started it." A few years before that no Christian would entertain the idea that the earth was more than, what, 6000 years old? As in literally 6000 years old, not figuratively. Now a good number also agree with the evidence that science has set before them.

And let us not forget the time that Galileo was imprisoned for (rightly) defending Copernican theory. The Church dictated that the earth was the center of the universe. This fact was so ingrained in the Church's ideology that they imprisoned a man for suggesting it might be wrong. And not just suggesting... but offering evidence. Now there isn't a Christian alive who believes that the earth is the center of the universe (except maybe a few wackos).

So how can Church doctrine be so absolutely true and yet so absolutely mutable? That fact alone, in my mind, undermines any remaining validity in what religion has to offer people.

Just my two cents, hope this thread doesn't go up in flames.[/quote:29ikx2y8]

I can see what you're saying about the church, yes it has made stupid claims and done many stupid things in the name of God, however some Churches are getting back to the truth written in the Bible and realising what it really means to be Christian. (and no I don't mean what the media portrays of the bible and church).
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:08 pm

I think this topic has the potential to stir up division and disunity within this community, if people keep sharing their opposing views.
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:11 pm

[quote="alspal":2dvsg04u]I think this topic has the potential to stir up division and disunity within this community, if people keep sharing their opposing views.[/quote:2dvsg04u]
Well think of it this way, everyone is different and everyone have their point of view, its ok to share your opinion if you respect other opinions and vice versa.
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:53 pm

[quote="alspal":30s90zok]I can see what you're saying about the church, yes it has made stupid claims and done many stupid things in the name of God, however some Churches are getting back to the truth written in the Bible and realising what it really means to be Christian. (and no I don't mean what the media portrays of the bible and church).[/quote:30s90zok]

My point was that the truth, as far as the Church is concerned, is always changing.

And no, the truth as far as science is concerned doesn't change... the truth is always there waiting to be discovered.

The difference is science advances by gaining new knowledge, and the the Church advances by discarding old beliefs. There's a big difference there, if you think about it.

And I'm not sure what you mean about "going back to the truth written in the Bible." The Bible hasn't changed that much in the past few hundred years. The one thing that's changing is the official interpretation of it. So I'm wondering why, if the bible is true, the official word on what it actually means keeps changing.

Truth isn't something that changes. Truth is immutable. So how can the Church keep changing it's mind and still claim that it's professing truth? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:19 pm

Not many churches go by the Bible anyways. Ever wonder why there's the Baptist Church, the Lutheran Church, the Methodist, and so on? Each of them accept parts of the Bible and discard others. It's sad, either you believe in the whole Word or not. You can't pick and choose. There is so much junk going on today it is sick.

There is evidence that through the many years and translations the Bible has not changed in it's message. Sure, many people out there preach false teaching which in turn makes Christianity look bad. In fact, only one church goes 100% by the bible, the Seventh-Day Adventist church, which also holds the Sabbath.

Just to make a point clear: the "church" and individual faith are to different things. The church isn't necessarily a "good thing" i.e. the crusades and Roman Catholicism enforcing their faith by the sword.

And the Bible teaches that church doesn't save you, accepting Christ does. :wink:
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Post » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:32 pm

[quote="midnight":2w7tn867]Just to make a point clear: the "church" and individual faith are to different things. The church isn't necessarily a "good thing" i.e. the crusades and Roman Catholicism enforcing their faith by the sword. [/quote:2w7tn867]

Oh I know, that's why I'm aiming my sights at the Church and not at individuals.
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