Christian Game Developers

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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:14 pm

@Ashley - I totally understand. I was definitely NOT intending to get into any kind of debate or specific discussion about Christianity, itself. I would have directed that to another communication forum entirely (to private messaging at the VERY least). If this thread started getting into a discussion/debate about the tenants and credibility of my faith, I would have called a halt to it.

Thank you, too, for being understanding of my perspective, too. I'm sorry if this caused you any unnecessary grief via the complaints.
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:17 pm

@Ashley - Also, anything else to do with Christianity in this thread - or any thread - would be simply related to any game project. I wouldn't try to start up a sermon. :) For example, I might QUICKLY relate, "I'm working on a game about the various battles ancient Israel had with other nations during the Old Testament times." And then I'd leave it at that and discuss the game elements, itself.
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:01 pm

This brings up an interesting question, though. Which religions or philosophies can or cannot be discussed in the context of game development? Roman paganism once had hundreds of thousands of adherents who believed the stories of Zeus were true, but I doubt that a game about Greek or Roman theology would be regarded as controversial.

What if someone wanted to discuss elements of Buddhism, such as in making a game exploring concepts of personal enlightenment wherein successive levels correspond to overcoming ignorance and desire?

Neoplatonism?

I think restricting respectful philosophical/religious discussions, especially as legitimately relate to game development, needlessly constrains the community and creates a great deal of confusion over what is acceptable and why.

Isn't the idea of how to weave "theme" into a game narrative a fundamental aspect of development? The five basic aspects of storytelling are Character, Setting, Plot, Conflict, and Theme. What if the Torment: Tides of Numenera devs had been asked by Gamespot to, for the sake of avoiding controversy, try to refrain from bringing up man's purpose for existence in their interviews?

Which elements of human nature, art, existence, and meaning are appropriate in our forums, and which are not? It would be very interesting to know the substance of the complaint on Rhindon's thread, and then attempt to apply it fairly across all analogous development threads.
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:20 pm

(Hopefully, even without a ruling, this thread is perfectly innocuous since we're having a meta-discussion about site policy now.)
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:41 pm

@Ashley - This forum heading is "Open Topic," and the thread title has the word "Christian" in it. If anybody has complained about this, you should probably stop doing business with them and refund their money. Wow.
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Post » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:16 pm

Thank you, @cklester and @RandomExile. I appreciate the support very much, even if you happen to disagree with Christianity. To be sure - and I am sure this is what @Ashley is simply trying to avoid, as I am, too! - we don't want to spark needless debate and argument. Heck, the point of my FB group is to foster COMMUNITY between gave developers and Christians. My goals are deeper than that, but suffice to say, a welcoming spirit is at the heart.

So I'd have to agree with cklester about what the nature of the complaint was. Is it that I simply advertised an "all are welcome", Christian-oriented post......namely that it's Christian? Or is it something else? Did my wording seem off somehow, and if so, in what way, exactly? I really would be happy to clarify and make amends to those who felt offended.

Heh, after all, one of the instructions and encouragements with the Christian faith (obviously, not exclusive to Christianity) is to make peace with everyone as much as it's in my power to do. I'd like to do that, if I could.

And again, Ashley, thank you for your understanding, too. I don't know what your convictions are, but it really means a lot that you didn't just boot my post because of any religious relationship it has.
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Post » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:15 am

It's difficult to run a forum. It's hard to strike a good balance between allowing open discussion on a wide range of topics, and not upsetting anyone. I hope you're not offended by this, and that nobody reading this thread is offended. However everyone should be aware that a very diverse audience visits this forum, and it would be nice to respect everyone's views. Remember you're calling this "Christian Game Developers", not "Game Developers Group For Everybody", which I do think implies some exclusivity even if you did not mean for it (the way I read it the title counts for more than the description). But on the other hand you should be free to run a special-interest group and tell people about it.

So: I think we should just have one thread per interest, pointing out a separate community, so people of that interest know where they can go, whilst avoiding any one group having too much prominence on the forum (which might make some uncomfortable or feel excluded). I will apply this rule from now on to any kind of community which is aimed at a specific interest, so I hope you don't feel picked on. I know there is already only one thread so it might not seem like I needed to point that out, but I think it ended up needing explaining, so everyone who visits this forum appreciates we're trying to strike a balance.Ashley2013-04-18 01:19:32
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Post » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:02 am

@Ashley - Man, I think that's a very good idea. The only "offense" I take is that someone complained...and didn't even seem to try to resolve the matter or strike an understanding - either my understanding or the person's regarding the other side. I mean, I don't honestly know just WHAT was offensive. I was tried to be VERY sensitive to the simple fact that others believe other things. No preaching, etc, etc, etc, was every intended. But, it would be silly to hold a grudge. No worries there. Bygones will be bye bye.

The last thing I want to do is single people out, but I get what you mean about the title, and I think that's a fair assessment. I'm definitely aware of how varied people's views are, as I encounter them daily...literally, daily. So if you feel creating a dedicated sub-forum would help to resolve any feelings of alienation or potential "whip lash", then I'm all for it.

I suppose I can completely amend my original post to turn this into a "quick list" of Christian-related game development stuff, such as my FB group? How's that sound?Rhindon2013-04-18 05:05:03
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Post » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:13 am

There's nothing wrong with this thread or your original post. You simply announced an invitation to people of like mind to join you on an EXTERNAL SITE to discuss game development from a specific point of view.

The person/people who were "offended" need to grow up. So long as we are all mature and considerate about what we say, and we respect one another's liberty to believe/think what we want, and so long as we harm no other, we should all just get along! :-)

I doubt Rhindon would be offended by an announcement of an atheist game developer forum, or a mom's game developer forum, or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever-other-classification-of-people-group game developer forum. Who cares, right?!

LET'S JUST DEVELOP SOME GAMES! :-)
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Post » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:16 am

Oh, there's the problem. People think Rhindon's forum is at this web site (scirra), when he clearly states his forum is on Facebook.

Now, while I don't believe it's a problem having a forum for Christians to discuss Christian themes in games here at scirra.com's forums, it might be better to have it off-site, since it isn't necessarily scirra-product specific (despite the fact that this is an OPEN TOPIC FORUM!).

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