Critics about R82

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Post » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:44 pm

The main problem with beta releases is we need to make it clearer on the site what kind of release you're downloading and make the release notes clearer. Ideally, everyone would still be on r80.2 (the last stable release), and just a few people would be installing r81 and r82 to help testing, since they're beta releases. However because it's not very clear everyone still ended up installing r81 and r82, then we get a lot of complaints about the releases not working. The intention is it shouldn't matter if beta releases don't work at all - they're just for testing and only people willing to trial the new features at the expense of stability should be installing them. From the r80 release notes I described why this is necessary:

[quote]We do test builds ourselves before release of course, but as a small team we simply do not have the resources to test quite like hundreds of people running it on their own particular software and hardware setups with their own unique usage patterns. Real-world beta testing is incredibly important to help make Construct 2 as reliable as possible.[/quote]

In other words, due to our limited resources, it's inevitable that occasionally a new release will go out and it simply won't work. It's a fact of software development: we've seen the same happen to competitors, and even companies like Microsoft and Google have to occasionally rush out updates due to problems in releases, even with teams of hundreds of dedicated testers which we don't have (unless you count beta users!). The beta releases are supposed to reduce the impact of broken releases by only having a smaller number of users interested in testing try them out and report bugs, and then the majority of users who don't want to test and just want to stick to stable builds get the releases later, after wider testing has made it more reliably proven that they work. So I apologise for confusion over the latest beta releases and I'm working with Tom to make sure the site makes it a lot clearer.

Re: translations - we started this because a large company expressed interest in selling Construct 2 in a non-English company on the condition the software could be translated. So we've fast-tracked the translation feature. If you think it's a problem that we have such a small team, this is exactly the kind of feature that could bring us to wider markets and help us grow bigger. The non-English-speaking world is at least double or triple the size of the English-speaking world. I don't think anyone has realised the irony that everyone who's expressed concern about the feature has done so in English - of course, if you already understand English well, the feature doesn't affect you at all! But what about the many users who don't understand English who find Construct 2 but don't use it because they don't understand English? They're not here to express their complaints that it's English-only. We do have broader plans to translate the site, manual etc. as well, but translation is a long and complicated project.

I know there are a lot of other feature requests - tell me about it There are currently about 100 items on my todo list, and if each one takes just 3 days to plan, implement and test, that's still close to a year's work alone, not including other projects, bug fixes and maintenance we have to in the mean time. However, Construct 2 has only really been developed a little over a year so far, so please be patient and bear with us: hopefully given another year we'll have everything you've been hoping for finished and released! However in the mean time we have to balance a lot of different people's interests, and I hope you trust that we're working as hard as possible to do what we can for everyone.Ashley2012-03-20 16:47:04
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Post » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:58 pm

I'm more interested in using stable builds than betas. However, it would be nice if there was some kind of guarantee of not being being left too far behind (I'd hate to be on 80 while 103 is the latest build). For example make every 5th (or whatever) build a stable one. Since 80 is the latest stable build make 85 than 90 and so on, stable. This would also make it easy to figure out if a build is stable or beta.
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Post » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:28 pm

I actually thought that rXX were stables and rXX.x were betas.
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Post » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:07 pm

Hi Ashley,
I didn't know that the translation feature was for an international distribution. Well, in this case is important to implement this...

Yes, there is a few of confusion between stable and beta releases. It's not very intuitive at the first glance... Maybe it's better to have the stable release as official download and let the beta in a kind of "expert developer" website session...

I know that be the one developer in a software project is difficult because for some years I worked in a very big software alone, For this reason, I know also that it's very complicated to develop an high level software alone, even if you are the bigger developer in the planet. Maybe, you would consider some strategy to find help without investing a lot of money. For example, selecting some developers and pay them only for the contribution or with a little percentage of the selling. I think there will be some good developer that will help you for not many money (I don't know for free :) ).
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Post » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:45 pm

Speaking about new features, I'm kind of missing things like http://www.scirra.com/forum/june-dev-poll_topic43025.html
That was fun ;)
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Post » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:24 am

Regarding the translation, there's countries (like Finland and apparently Italy) where mostly everybody speaks English. And then there's countries (like Germany) where generally people don't. If you travel to Germany and need information from the locals, you're lucky if you find someone speaking English (at least in my experience).
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Post » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:53 am

Hi Geo,
just for info in Italy the learning of english language is obligatory in the schools (even in the elementary school), in the italian Universities there is an english language exam in every field of study and it's a very important requisite if you want to find job. Then, the english language is easier than italian (many italians don't speak very well their language )
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Post » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:58 am

And I like to add, in germany it is generally the older people that don't speak english, as they did not learned it in School. But everyone up to 40 should speak it without any problems. In the past years, English is now teached in Schools already from the 1st class (Kids aged 6, are already using english as the main language in some schools here today).
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Post » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:23 am

Darn, France is really late once again, english we can learn in high school and even before, but imo it's more around 10-12 years old, and generaly the level of the english teachers isn't fantastic (well it wasn't while I was at school, apparently it improved in the past 15 years ^^)

A token in the sense of translating C2 my father work in public school, and at the beginning of the year, he was looking for some computer activity to have with the kids.
I introduced him to C2, he liked it but the fact that it was english only made it difficult/impossible for him to use with young children.

I understand the "it's not important" part of the reaction, I shared it too to some point.
But in the frame of using C2 in educationnal system for example, it makes it far easier and more believable to use it actively and efficiently if it is regionalized.

As mentionned earlier by Ashley, tutorials and some other parts of the site are planned to be translated too, making informations easier to get.
The point was raised that the forum were in english, so no need to translate C2, that's half true.
There are quite some regional forums/communities listed in the not so visible regional communities page.

From there it is up to people talking both languages to be active on both forums/communities to help out and spread the use of C2.
Ultimately tutorials and manual will be available in multiple languages, but still those forums should be the go to communities in your own language.Kyatric2012-03-21 08:23:53
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Post » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:12 pm

Hi,
I've taken a look to the regional communities page...

Well, obviously (as one might imagine) the italian community is the only one listed that hasn't a forum, has nothing to discuss, zero articles, just a copy/paste tutorial translated in a discutible italian language... and a lot of advertisement (to make money) in home page...

Sorry, this is the typical italian way to do this things... exploting the name of others stevenworks2012-03-21 14:14:47
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