encouraging players to keep on retrying

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Post » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:21 am

I liked my solution for my Chicks game, I'll probably use it again.

You have to save as many chicks as you can in a level. There is a minimum you have to save to unlock the next level.

However you only have the chicks you saved in the previous level to play the next level with. If it's too hard, come back and play the previous levels again, to get more to play with later.
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Post » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:03 pm

Generally, I hate letting the player character die. It's just bad game design. There are so many alternatives. For example, imagine a jumping puzzle that's just too hard for you. The character falls, but instead of dying, he lands on another path that is much simpler. Or he lands on a path that leads him back to the start, but on the way you find a one-time rocket suit that let's you manage that one spot where you failed before. There's so much that can be done.

The fear of a 'game over' isn't motivating, it's frustrating. But, in the example above with that rocket suit, I would lose XP or a heart or whatever reward, for not being able to do the jump. And that would motivate to play again.
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Post » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:55 pm

There are as many different types of players as there are different types of games, and that's a good thing. If someone doesn't like the way one game plays out, or if it's too easy or too hard for them, there are literally thousands of other games out there to choose from. What's too difficult for one person will be the perfect challenge for another and too easy for yet another. It's just how it is. :) At least in the case of the 3d Mario game they are giving the player an option to continue if it's too hard. They don't HAVE to use it, it's their choice. If the option weren't available perhaps some people would give up and go play another of those thousands of available games mentioned above. In my opinion it's better for the game designer to at least offer some kind of "out" for people who simply don't have the skill to get through the difficult levels. It's a form of player retention. :)Burvey2013-12-14 18:57:07
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Post » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:11 pm

Ya know, at first I completely agreed with the video but then I realised - if I was given the option, I'd probably take it. Why? Because that'd be fun to me - to be able to steamroll through everything without having to worry about dying. To me, the most important thing is that a game is FUN above anything else.

Also, some players don't have great amounts of time to just sit down and play a video game and would prefer to just get through the story as quickly as possible.

Besides, they still have the risk of falling (I assume).

There's a stickied thread in this forum that talks about game over design as Tulamide mentioned.
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Post » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:41 am

Mind give me a link to that stickied thread?
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Post » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:14 am

To encourage player to continue, I think the best options are:

-Make it so the death isn't unfair

     the player has to know beforehand that something can be dangerous, I know it seems stupid that I say this, but players don't know what to expect in some cases, if a new sort of trap appears, make it so the player see it working once, so he can learn from that and thus, will forgive you if he died because of that.

-control often, and not only by yourselves, the difficulty curve of your game

    a game doesn't have to be easy or difficult, but it has to start quite easy, then increasing in difficulty without having a huge "OMFG What is this Impossibru thing I fought 2 goombas the level before and now there are 10 hammer brothers coming for me O_O"' "


     make it so the player can do a mistake without being punished too much (An unfair exemple: In ninja gaiden, If the player lose a life in the level 6-3, he come back at the begginning of 6-3, when reaching 6-4, the first phase of the last boss, the health isn't refill, and if he lose one life, he don't go back to 6-4, or 6-3 no, but 6-1, that is quite an exemple of unforgiving checkpoint madness combined with no health refill when needed)

-If possible, have a difficulty setting that works, so if people find it too hard, you can make it less horrible to some extend, and harder for people that seek challenge.

-Don't do "Game over" if your game is long, losing your last life to the final boss stage because of one stupid mistake is the worst thing that can happen

-Maybe letting some clues to the players on what they did wrong, or how to do it right when they lose a certain amount of times.

But mostly the player should lose because of himself, If I lose because of bad controls, I'll be mad and will end up turning off the game, if it is because of a random glitch, I'll be mad but whatever, If because of unfairness, I'll be real mad, and will really have a hate relationship with the said game, but If It because of myself, well, gotta get better, and Finally I'll be able to finish a game I love
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Post » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:55 pm

My computer game "socialisation" happened in the 80s, and games were hard to beat back then. I have very mixed feelings about the spoonfeeding that is common practise today, and I frown upon what I call a certain crybaby attitude of many players.

That said.. if you want to sell games today you have to accomodate these people. In my own products I (typically, if applicable) choose a design that lets even weak players pass on to higher levels, for example with 1 star out of possible 3 per level, but to be allowed to enter a new world, or the world-boss-level, I require a certain amount of stars. By that, I keep the crybabies afloat since they can advance even if they suck, and I also create a motivation to improve your performance on passed levels, because there's a prize in sight.
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