Frankly, Whats the point of c3?

Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:15 am

@shinkan Yeah, even if we didn't get to decide what was to happen with C2, at least I felt privy to the reasonings.

Then again with the posts like "Trying to stay in business seems to be about the top and tail of it, from what I can tell.", I can see why he might not appreciate all of the communities input.
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:53 am

stefanos wrote:Random idea ( U know what would be awesome ?, Scirra to make a unity plugin with their visual approach charging 150 per year. No problem there. I would happily depend on unity's devs faults rather than ludei, intel etc..)


that would be awesome! :O +100 on this brilliant idea! while many have tried... none came close...! :) there are some plugins that enables"visual scripting" but its like the U4 module scripting.. which is heavy... clunky... and its stop being good to work with at some point in a large project! and here im talking about : plugins like game something something, and scripting something something forgot their names... but they where largely marketed by users like "wow never seen this before."


however back to main post concerns, the OP is right, the feeling of C3 being at this point shown as a C2.5 or C2 update... its true... we still have to wait the ground breaking updates! and even if they wont come... i will say as before... i wont go to C3 unless is definitely changed(OP said the most problems C2 has which i agree with) ... and not just "facelifted". (P.S plus i hate subscriptions... i already got mobile payments, bank payments... now comes C2 payments? .... ridiculous... id say as before... give us opportunity to pay in advanced for 10 years with a discount... i would pay 1500 bucks just to not have to pay each year... is just i hate to know i have to pay something at the end of year to use it ... and bank account handling is nuts .... cause you never know if at end of the year the C2 license payment u saved it will be there when time comes ...(and here are various reasons... urgency costs, bank costs, some idea that you use the cash for something u really need at the time then u basically mess up with C2 license ... )



However... responding to the title of thread.... point of C3?


from my point of view and others... is just another product... so the scirra business to live on in the end its a business that needs to survive... and if i look at it as a business its a great move.

and i would definitely buy it from that point of view... but ... again my ego beats the best of me.


however other people that dont think like me, i do encourage to buy C3 it will be a great software to have! all the features displayed in updates, are awesome, even with the core of it being same as C2 ... it will still be a better software. so would worth it!
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:49 am

Bleenx wrote:
stefanos wrote:Random idea ( U know what would be awesome ?, Scirra to make a unity plugin with their visual approach charging 150 per year. No problem there. I would happily depend on unity's devs faults rather than ludei, intel etc..)[/size][/i]


Random idea, my butt :) I already stated this idea in another C3 thread.


Lol, I would buy it in a heart beat. I really do like c2's event editor for alot of things!
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:52 am

newt wrote:@shinkan Yeah, even if we didn't get to decide what was to happen with C2, at least I felt privy to the reasonings.

Then again with the posts like "Trying to stay in business seems to be about the top and tail of it, from what I can tell.", I can see why he might not appreciate all of the communities input.

Well, that's catch-22.
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:44 am

Blacksmith wrote:Haven't seen anything that particularly stands out as a major improvement yet! Most of the updates I've seen are hardly blog worthy :(

Still roughly a month left (if everything goes according to schedule) of more features to roll out before we finally get to try the beta. But I kinda agree, nothing quite mind blowing yet aside from some much needed enhancements that was already expected (well a couple of new things did interest me..). Initially the main draw for me was finally being able to develop on the Mac....but this past week I got tired of waiting and got a new PC laptop to replace my aging MacBook Pro so thats no longer an issue. But i'm still waiting to see if Scirra is just holding off for the big home run at the end of the month right before beta to blow everyone's mind out. Or....maybe there isn't one at all :D.
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:11 am

Cryptwalker wrote:
Blacksmith wrote:Haven't seen anything that particularly stands out as a major improvement yet! Most of the updates I've seen are hardly blog worthy :(

Still roughly a month left (if everything goes according to schedule) of more features to roll out before we finally get to try the beta. But I kinda agree, nothing quite mind blowing yet aside from some much needed enhancements that was already expected (well a couple of new things did interest me..). Initially the main draw for me was finally being able to develop on the Mac....but this past week I got tired of waiting and got a new PC laptop to replace my aging MacBook Pro so thats no longer an issue. But i'm still waiting to see if Scirra is just holding off for the big home run at the end of the month right before beta to blow everyone's mind out. Or....maybe there isn't one at all :D.

I'm still waiting for a $1,000-a-decade feature, plenty of minor version updates, though. All of which i'd gladly have paid a customary yearly update fee for.
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:58 am

The point of C3, is to catch people in a subscriptions system where you will never have the software on property (it's a rental) so when in a few years when C4 is released if you want to continue using the software either C3 or C4 you have to keep paying and paying, paying for the same software with a few changes ... this is what is C3, C2 with a few improvements keeping the same drawbacks

Summarizing ... pure and hard greed :roll:

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Maybe the subscriptions system is due to the fear they have because the tools are getting better and already has little room for improvement ...

There will come a day when they will not be able to justify the purchase of a new product because this will not bring many improvements over the previous one (C4?)

So they ensure that if you want to continue using the software you must pay and pay

With C3 you will not be able to consider not updating to the next version for a while, and to continue working without paying, you must continue paying if you want to continue using it with all its operative functions

When in all those years you have paid as if you had bought it

If you had bought the software you could continue working until you considered updating
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:20 am

Well there you go folks.
Another reason they don't share is that the members get to call them greedy, but people get all triggered if they respond as negatively.
The positive side to that is that those members will go away.
Of course those that can't deal with it will stick around to try to disrupt things.
Or is that already happening?
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:46 am

newt wrote:Well there you go folks.
Another reason they don't share is that the members get to call them greedy, but people get all triggered if they respond as negatively.
The positive side to that is that those members will go away.
Of course those that can't deal with it will stick around to try to disrupt things.
Or is that already happening?


You do realise you are in the minority of actually being pro-subscription, don't you? I'm not sure what kind of brownie points you're trying to score here?
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Post » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:52 am

Zebbi wrote:
newt wrote:Well there you go folks.
Another reason they don't share is that the members get to call them greedy, but people get all triggered if they respond as negatively.
The positive side to that is that those members will go away.
Of course those that can't deal with it will stick around to try to disrupt things.
Or is that already happening?


You do realise you are in the minority of actually being pro-subscription, don't you? I'm not sure what kind of brownie points you're trying to score here?


I'm not pro anything.
Just anti-hypocrisy.
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