Native Compiler (Alpha) Blog By Tom

Discussion of tools and resources for game developers

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:48 am

Lets get this straight.
Your business model is of a service type for exporting using software from another company that has already said they would not support what you are doing?

Um, are you sure you have thought this out completely?
Image ImageImage
B
168
S
50
G
169
Posts: 8,281
Reputation: 108,191

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:04 am

newt wrote:Lets get this straight.
Your business model is of a service type for exporting using software from another company that has already said they would not support what you are doing?

Um, are you sure you have thought this out completely?


The new software is being written in Monkey, so no. <i mean yes!>

My program takes information from the save file of a construct 2 project. It then replicates the behaviors into functions, layouts into 'playfields', event sheets into logic code, all in the monkey language.

It then sends this data to the cloud server, which is running monkey, once server gets said information, it runs a .bat command line to monkey, monkey compiles MONKEY code into native code for whatever target. Server then sends compiled apk back to you. (this is for final build for publishing)

The new feature takes save file > converts to monkey > sends data to Studio app either running on, pc, mac, linux, ios, or android, and runs the data from a script import. Since the studio is built in monkey, what you see will be almost exact to what you would get through final build (minus ADs and IAP since these need actual testing). The feature allows to see what works, and what doesn't.

In terms of the company not supporting this, i can understand why, but i'm not going to stop and throw away 5-10 hours a day of work for the last 2 months.

Is it perfect? no, it still needs a lot of work. I might find out Ludei have come up with something awesome, or Crosswalk does really well, and then this will be pointless. But the option will still be available for those who want to use it.

Why invest hundreds of hours into RnD if i haven't thought it through?

But thank you for your concern :)
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:39 am

tomsstudio wrote:You can look me up on facebook (tom healy) to see who i am, doesn't have any info on my program though.




Quite a few tom healy's on facebook >_>

I asked for it, seeing as you have a pricing plan in mind and mention you have a company, but nothing online.
Looks a bitt odd, thats all.
Who dares wins
B
57
S
17
G
21
Posts: 1,878
Reputation: 19,562

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:51 am

lennaert wrote:
tomsstudio wrote:You can look me up on facebook (tom healy) to see who i am, doesn't have any info on my program though.




Quite a few tom healy's on facebook >_>

I asked for it, seeing as you have a pricing plan in mind and mention you have a company, but nothing online.
Looks a bitt odd, thats all.


I understand,

i should of mentioned i've just started a company(haven't decided a name yet), but the publishing through x company is long ways off, getting the actual program out in the wilderness is first priority :)
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:51 am

i expect 2 months of beta testing before any actual pricing system comes in
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:52 am

Best way to kill a program is asking money for it straight off the bat, ill let the free version run wild for a bit, and if people like it, then we will see about pricing.
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:12 am

tomsstudio wrote:Best way to kill a program is asking money for it straight off the bat, ill let the free version run wild for a bit, and if people like it, then we will see about pricing.



riiiight .... perhaps its an idea to get a partner for public relations and actually do some planning what information you want to release to the public.

Seeing as you already contradict yourself :As the export with the free version, only able to publish through you, will cost 20% commision. (according to your information)

You have pricing plans listing prices near 2k$ .... and you dont even know if you will be able to get everything to work.

Sorry to be a bit negative, but from my perception, you have invested time in something you are saying you will not give up on because you invested 2 months of time.
That to me sounds rediculous, 2 months is nothing.



Some questions:

Who does your testing ?
What happens if monkey gets a big overhaul ?
Have you ever made other software ?
Do you have something of a portfolio ?
Are there any legal factors involved if people start using your system ?


Again, apologies if this comes accros a bit negative, but your opening the doors for it.
Who dares wins
B
57
S
17
G
21
Posts: 1,878
Reputation: 19,562

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:41 am

lennaert wrote:
tomsstudio wrote:Best way to kill a program is asking money for it straight off the bat, ill let the free version run wild for a bit, and if people like it, then we will see about pricing.



riiiight .... perhaps its an idea to get a partner for public relations and actually do some planning what information you want to release to the public.

Seeing as you already contradict yourself :As the export with the free version, only able to publish through you, will cost 20% commision. (according to your information)

You have pricing plans listing prices near 2k$ .... and you dont even know if you will be able to get everything to work.

Sorry to be a bit negative, but from my perception, you have invested time in something you are saying you will not give up on because you invested 2 months of time.
That to me sounds rediculous, 2 months is nothing.



Some questions:

Who does your testing ?
What happens if monkey gets a big overhaul ?
Have you ever made other software ?
Do you have something of a portfolio ?
Are there any legal factors involved if people start using your system ?


Again, apologies if this comes accros a bit negative, but your opening the doors for it.


Nothing is set in stone.

The pricing is just a template, just an idea, give people an idea on what i'm thinking, not whats its going to be.

someone wanted some information about licensing i just posted what information i had at the time.
I'm sorry if ive come off arrogant, it was not my intention. This project was originally was only being developed for myself, but people were arguing over crosswalk vs this and that, i just thought id let people know about the program i am making.

Again the program will be available to try, people will like it or not like it, it may flop, it may succeed. But what is the harm in trying?

2 months is nothing? I could of got a job, i could be putting more effort into uni, i could helping my father on his farm, i could be doing heaps of other things. But i'm spending my time on something that may work, or it may not. It may be nothing too you, but it darn well means a lot to me thanks.

1. I do my testing, its only alpha, as ive said before.
2. Monkey gets a new release every month or so, if mark makes any changes to code functionality, he generally gives people a heads up.
3. Nothing worth releasing commercially, but everyone starts somewhere.
4. Nothing worth talking about, apart from what i'm doing and the game i was working on before this.
5. Ive read the license agreements, i'm not breaking any rules.

Im just one guy trying to make something i thought would a cool idea. Sorry if it comes off as something else.
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:55 am

It does not come off as something else, in fact, it comes off as something that a large part of the scirra community would be greatly interrested in.

What I mean with 2 months is nothing, is that 2 months of solo development time on a personal project is but a speck of time some developers spent on their vision, whether or not it comes off the ground at all.
Many developers on scirra spent over a year working on a game, and quite a few do that in team work.

The reason I am a bit critical with some information, is just the fact that such a tool could indeed be a huge addition to construct 2 users. But the information your providing is coming accros a bit clumsy (I did not find it arrogant).

It might be worth to check out the community in seeing if people are interrested in teaming up with this endeavour.
There are quite a few capable programmers on this forum, and I can imagine some will be very interrested in working on such a project or aiding and assisting to provide better feedback.

I for one would be worried about the quality of testing done solo, seeing your new with construct 2 and there are many variations in programming styles. (good and bad)

I am interrested in this project, and would be willing to lend a hand where possible. ^_^
Who dares wins
B
57
S
17
G
21
Posts: 1,878
Reputation: 19,562

Post » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:07 am

lennaert wrote:It does not come off as something else, in fact, it comes off as something that a large part of the scirra community would be greatly interrested in.

What I mean with 2 months is nothing, is that 2 months of solo development time on a personal project is but a speck of time some developers spent on their vision, whether or not it comes off the ground at all.
Many developers on scirra spent over a year working on a game, and quite a few do that in team work.

The reason I am a bit critical with some information, is just the fact that such a tool could indeed be a huge addition to construct 2 users. But the information your providing is coming accros a bit clumsy (I did not find it arrogant).

It might be worth to check out the community in seeing if people are interrested in teaming up with this endeavour.
There are quite a few capable programmers on this forum, and I can imagine some will be very interrested in working on such a project or aiding and assisting to provide better feedback.

I for one would be worried about the quality of testing done solo, seeing your new with construct 2 and there are many variations in programming styles. (good and bad)

I am interrested in this project, and would be willing to lend a hand where possible. ^_^


Such kindness :)

Don't talk me about code styles, i spent all yesterday trying to comment and clean i fell asleep!
B
10
S
2
G
1
Posts: 92
Reputation: 926

PreviousNext

Return to Tools and Resources

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests