Proposed licensing model (take 2)

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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:51 am

It's a careful balance between making the product accessible, getting a large user base, offering value to customers and sustainability of Scirra.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:19 pm

[quote="KrushBrother":1pxq0tee]Just like the last proposal, I have no problem with what you've come up with.
But the lack of an .exe exporter means it's a no for me.
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Ditto. At least it makes it less certain that I'll jump on-board right away... An exe exporter would be lovely :3

Other than that, I have no problems with this model.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:21 pm

[quote="Muurtegel":320tdgbh]
This would mean that you pay 100 dollars a year and earn at least 35.490 dollars. (the revenue in the first post is measured in pounds) Don't you think that the pricing is a bit off? Construct is a pretty essential tool to create the game, else the developer(s) would've chosen to code it themselves or to use a different engine..[/quote:320tdgbh]

I agree, however it is all about the market. Unfortunately things like Game Maker do exist and cost $25 for a Pro version. Add in the fact they are working on adding HTML5, you start to see the problem. There are an increasing number of game creation tools popping up out there.

Anyways, I want to say one more time, the prices above are fine. I am simply adding some context.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:29 pm

Everything looks good to me.

I hate to admit it, but I'm in the wishy washy stage as well until OpenGL or WebGL support comes on board with the matching exporter, though. Construct 0.X was awesome because shaders allowed visuals better than something akin to ArmorGames (not to discredit Armor... they make fun online flash games!).

I'm excited for Construct 2 though. I think down the road, when it's more full-bodied, it'll be one of the best 2D game makers out there. I know it will. Best of luck to you, business wise!
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:47 pm

Well i think it's much better now but i still dislike the subscription thing the more i think about it as it has so many possible problems.

Maybe with that after you update for another 2 years then the price should be reduced and continue to do so each upgrade you buy. If the system stays with a subscription (which is basically what 2 years of updates is) then there should also be a reduced 1 years payment option.

A example of a major issue with subscriptions would be if someone pays for 2 years updates but then development slows down for whatever reason, as when they pay the update cost at that time it would be exactly the same product they had before so basically buying it again with no need to yet.

This is a major reason why i like the way regular +1 version updates work, i can actually decide if there is new features i actually want. With a subscription payment i would be wasting money on something i already had until a few months later or more when the developments had progressed to the point of making it worth the buy.

There is the bigger problem that after payment the development efforts could be spent on making features or exporters i would never need to use. Basically with a subscription you have no idea what will change, be developed or the focus of developments.

With major +1 releases though you don't have to guess and have the freedom to choose to upgrade or not if you think it's worth the cost. With a lot of software i own i have also had many free updates and sometimes more than a few years worth with no extra cost but when i pay again there is often a large price reduction so i am usually fine with upgrading.

Also with this idea people pay for everything grouped together. I am guessing some people will really like a iOS exporter but others might not have a iPhone etc and not even care about that yet they still pay exactly the same price. When they pay if lots of time is spent developing the iOS exporter or it's features and plugins etc then that's time and money lost for them yet they have no control over that.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:09 pm

[quote="zeno":3uuy62g6]Well i think it's much better now but i still dislike the subscription thing the more i think about it as it has so many possible problems.

Maybe with that after you update for another 2 years then the price should be reduced and continue to do so each upgrade you buy. If the system stays with a subscription (which is basically what 2 years of updates is) then there should also be a reduced 1 years payment option.

A example of a major issue with subscriptions would be if someone pays for 2 years updates but then development slows down for whatever reason, as when they pay the update cost at that time it would be exactly the same product they had before so basically buying it again with no need to yet.

This is a major reason why i like the way regular +1 version updates work, i can actually decide if there is new features i actually want. With a subscription payment i would be wasting money on something i already had until a few months later or more when the developments had progressed to the point of making it worth the buy.

There is the bigger problem that after payment the development efforts could be spent on making features or exporters i would never need to use. Basically with a subscription you have no idea what will change, be developed or the focus of developments.

With major +1 releases though you don't have to guess and have the freedom to choose to upgrade or not if you think it's worth the cost. With a lot of software i own i have also had many free updates and sometimes more than a few years worth with no extra cost but when i pay again there is often a large price reduction so i am usually fine with upgrading.

Also with this idea people pay for everything grouped together. I am guessing some people will really like a iOS exporter but others might not have a iPhone etc and not even care about that yet they still pay exactly the same price. When they pay if lots of time is spent developing the iOS exporter or it's features and plugins etc then that's time and money lost for them yet they have no control over that.[/quote:3uuy62g6]


no offence but this is [rubbish], Edit: please don't use offensive language! - Ashley

imagine c2 reaches point where it is at the level to produce a decent game. You buy it for 40 coins ,and for that price u get existing product and 2 years of updates.
if u dont like subscripcion word so much then ignore it. And imagine u paid for exsisting product and got 2 years of updates as a bonus.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:14 pm

It's not a subscription - you can choose not to renew after your upgrade license expires, and you can still use the software fully, and you're not nagged. You can choose when, or if, you get a new license, based on if you need new features. It's up to you.

Compare to buying a traditional software package, where you buy one version of the software. A new major version comes out with new features. You can choose when, or if, you upgrade to the new major version, based on if you need new features. It's up to you.

These seem to be pretty equivalent to me - the reason we're going with the former is we don't plan on having "major updates". We'll just be releasing regular small updates indefinitely - a bit like Google Chrome - rather than infrequent, big hefty major updates - like Internet Explorer.
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:22 pm

These threads get out of control really fast :o

This proposal is really fair. please release it, so I can buy my early-adopter license :)

I see a lot of people worried about getting the features they want. Haven't A & G proven that they're responsive to the community enough for you already? I mean, they've brought us in on this conversation that affects their livelihood in the first place! They're still supporting C.X while they develop C2. Forum posts are fast and frequent. Releases are rapid-fire.

If you be reasonable and have a little faith, i'm sure they won't let us down. :wink:
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:23 pm

[quote="Ashley":1khna157]It's not a subscription[/quote:1khna157]

I think a lot of people are missing this. READ THE OP!!!!
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Post » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:29 pm

[url:7furrrc1]http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Facepalm[/url:7furrrc1]

Couldn't help myself - sorry :)

I think some people need to re-read the front.
If your vision so exceeds your ability, then look to something closer.
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