So What Is Your First Impression Of C3?

Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:49 am

Digitalsa wrote:The idea is simple, at the end of each 12 month period of a subscription you can use the last major version without an active subscription. So if you purchase Construct 3 and then after 12 months cancel your subscription, you can continue to use it but receive no new updates.


This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier reply. I would have no issue with a subscription system if I could keep using updates up to the point I stopped paying. That's essentially what Microsoft also does with Windows and I never heard anyone complain.

Speaking of which, I'm starting to think Scirra is actually going this route and they were either vague or misunderstood by everyone. I haven't really read into it much, but this just makes too much sense compared to they just want a subscription system that cuts you off entirely if you stop paying. I suspect this because of things like the editor works offline too.
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:08 am

corlenbelspar wrote:
Digitalsa wrote:The idea is simple, at the end of each 12 month period of a subscription you can use the last major version without an active subscription. So if you purchase Construct 3 and then after 12 months cancel your subscription, you can continue to use it but receive no new updates.


This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier reply. I would have no issue with a subscription system if I could keep using updates up to the point I stopped paying. That's essentially what Microsoft also does with Windows and I never heard anyone complain.

Speaking of which, I'm starting to think Scirra is actually going this route and they were either vague or misunderstood by everyone. I haven't really read into it much, but this just makes too much sense compared to they just want a subscription system that cuts you off entirely if you stop paying. I suspect this because of things like the editor works offline too.


I hope this is the path @Tom and @Ashley do take. If they don't, I'm definitely not going to buy into the subscription model at all.
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:06 am

Digitalsa wrote:
corlenbelspar wrote:
Digitalsa wrote:The idea is simple, at the end of each 12 month period of a subscription you can use the last major version without an active subscription. So if you purchase Construct 3 and then after 12 months cancel your subscription, you can continue to use it but receive no new updates.


This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier reply. I would have no issue with a subscription system if I could keep using updates up to the point I stopped paying. That's essentially what Microsoft also does with Windows and I never heard anyone complain.

Speaking of which, I'm starting to think Scirra is actually going this route and they were either vague or misunderstood by everyone. I haven't really read into it much, but this just makes too much sense compared to they just want a subscription system that cuts you off entirely if you stop paying. I suspect this because of things like the editor works offline too.


I hope this is the path @Tom and @Ashley do take. If they don't, I'm definitely not going to buy into the subscription model at all.

@Tom, @Ashley
This is good idea, I think C3 should do this way
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:43 am

@Tom
When are we gonna learn the theme of the Newgrounds C3 Jam?
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:44 am

Tom Fulp wanted to announce it much closer to the time, all will be revealed in due course :)
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:46 am

Please don't take this thread off topic and there is lots of good feedback here for @Tom and @Ashley to consider.

There is a topic on Jams for those questions.

Thanks!
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:50 am

It's really hard to do frozen updates. The free edition is always kept up-to-date, as it's really part of our marketing and we want to make sure there's the latest and greatest version for people to use. So this approach means for some users, you sign in and then it has to downgrade you to an older version than you're already running. If that downgrade doesn't work or is blocked, you get the latest update anyway. Plus I think on the off-chance there's a Chrome bug that breaks even just very old versions, currently that doesn't matter, but with frozen updates it will cut some people off. I think that would work out very badly: either we have to effectively fork our support and maintain multiple different versions of the codebase for essential fixes, which is a big drag on development, or we just tell users sorry, we're not patching it, and then I'm sure they'll get upset anyway because something they once paid for no longer works.

It's a great deal easier and simpler just to keep everyone up-to-date.
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:08 am

I have started a new thread now that most of us have tried C3 and I would love to hear your feedback about C3.

So What Is Your Second Impression of C3 And Will You Buy?

https://www.scirra.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=191&t=190060
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:23 pm

Ashley wrote:It's really hard to do frozen updates. The free edition is always kept up-to-date, as it's really part of our marketing and we want to make sure there's the latest and greatest version for people to use. So this approach means for some users, you sign in and then it has to downgrade you to an older version than you're already running. If that downgrade doesn't work or is blocked, you get the latest update anyway. Plus I think on the off-chance there's a Chrome bug that breaks even just very old versions, currently that doesn't matter, but with frozen updates it will cut some people off. I think that would work out very badly: either we have to effectively fork our support and maintain multiple different versions of the codebase for essential fixes, which is a big drag on development, or we just tell users sorry, we're not patching it, and then I'm sure they'll get upset anyway because something they once paid for no longer works.

It's a great deal easier and simpler just to keep everyone up-to-date.

In my eyes this problem is simple to solve:
- Just provide a frozen version for the offline edition only.
- Keep only the newest versions supported. Warn the users that if they are going to use the frozen version, they won't receive support till they re-subscribe and update again.

This way you would solve the problems you mentioned in your post and also ease the souls of those who fear the lockout (myself included).
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Post » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:25 pm

glerikud wrote:
Ashley wrote:It's really hard to do frozen updates. The free edition is always kept up-to-date, as it's really part of our marketing and we want to make sure there's the latest and greatest version for people to use. So this approach means for some users, you sign in and then it has to downgrade you to an older version than you're already running. If that downgrade doesn't work or is blocked, you get the latest update anyway. Plus I think on the off-chance there's a Chrome bug that breaks even just very old versions, currently that doesn't matter, but with frozen updates it will cut some people off. I think that would work out very badly: either we have to effectively fork our support and maintain multiple different versions of the codebase for essential fixes, which is a big drag on development, or we just tell users sorry, we're not patching it, and then I'm sure they'll get upset anyway because something they once paid for no longer works.

It's a great deal easier and simpler just to keep everyone up-to-date.

In my eyes this problem is simple to solve:
- Just provide a frozen version for the offline edition only.
- Keep only the newest versions supported. Warn the users that if they are going to use the frozen version, they won't receive support till they re-subscribe and update again.

This way you would solve the problems you mentioned in your post and also ease the souls of those who fear the lockout (myself included).


Customers would expect bug fixes, and retro fixes for breaking changes. This would be a headache to maintain. Secondly, support would become mired in difficulties with everyone running different versions.
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