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Post » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:57 am

I don't think Construct uses multi-core (or does it?)

My laptop gets ~200fps (starts at 800+) uncapped and cost 1/3 your "future pc" lol.

Either that or the GPU you have matches only a fraction of the potential the CPU provides.
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Post » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:35 am

[quote="Jeswen":1jgsb7ij]I don't think Construct uses multi-core (or does it?)

My laptop gets ~200fps (starts at 800+) uncapped and cost 1/3 your "future pc" lol.

Either that or the GPU you have matches only a fraction of the potential the CPU provides.[/quote:1jgsb7ij]

The fact that it doesn't support multi core is what I'm getting at... it would perform better on a dual core since the base core speed is much faster. The thing that holds my PC back is software that doen;t use the technology to it's full potential.

I am seriously considering "downgrading" to a dual core CPU until more software comes out that uses multi core.

My GPU is the fastest GPU available on the market to date... and I have two of them... so there is no bottle neck there. It is the sheer difference in Ghz of my CPU. If I overclock from 2.5Ghz core to 2.8 I go from 250 fps to around 320fps... so if I go buy a 3.2Ghz extreme edition CPU, put liquid nitrogen through a liquid cooling system, and overclock is to 5.7Ghz, I will be getting somewhere around 1000fps?

Who cares anyway... 250 fps is way faster than anyone needs it to be. It's weird because it runs at the same speed as Assassins Creed on full settings :/

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Post » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:24 pm

And my point is that because of how few programs support multi-core still, you could have 100 of the best gpus on the market and it still won't match the potential of your CPU ... see what I'm saying?

I ran Crysis on a quad core CPU versus a dual core, with the same clock speed. The results for me were that the fps were the same 90% of the time, until a lot of physics occurred at once, leading to the quad core giving around 5 fps more.

I don't support blowing a lot of money on a computer because A. it will be outdated in 6 months and B. companies won't utilize it for much longer, making the technology cheaper by the time they do.

Partly the reason why I just do everything on a laptop now. It cost half the price of a good desktop PC, plays Crysis on high at 30 fps and is portable.

More power to you if you're Bill Gates in disguise - I guess I'd have 100 PC's for no reason then if I was.
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Post » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:59 pm

[quote="Jeswen":13pjhwgm]Partly the reason why I just do everything on a laptop now. It cost half the price of a good desktop PC, plays Crysis on high at 30 fps and is portable.[/quote:13pjhwgm]
You kidding?!? Laptops generally cost much more than an equivalent desktop PC.
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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:24 am

If you just buy them from Best Buy or something, yes they do.
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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:42 am

Maybe it's just here in the UK, they always seem to chuck about 200 onto the price just for it being a laptop. If you buy sub-400 laptops they're usually good enough for gaming if your collection doesn't extend far past Solitaire.
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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:55 am

It's probably not much different where you live. What you need to do is find a warehouse store that sells them from various brands.

I have one a few miles from me that sells laptops of all brands (Gateway, Dell, Etc) at a greatly reduced price. They could be open box items, but generally aren't used at all or are brand new.

I also should mention, I get a discount through my job of 15% on any electronics if it's for work.

Hope that helps?

EDIT: I realize that isn't the norm for most people, but I wasn't suggesting it was. I only said it cost me half the price.
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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:17 am

Yeah, it's mainly the high street retailers that seem to over charge for the portability of a laptop.
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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:55 pm

[quote="Jeswen":1gu3g0k0]And my point is that because of how few programs support multi-core still, you could have 100 of the best gpus on the market and it still won't match the potential of your CPU ... see what I'm saying?[/quote:1gu3g0k0]

I'm 100% sure I understand what you are getting at... are you saying the GPU i the bottleneck in the system or the CPU? I know the CPU is the bottleneck since it is not being used properly YET. I bought it because software will grow into it... I have owned a computer store or at least worked in one for the last 12-13 years, so I'm pretty up with what is going on in terms of hardware advancement. I bought now because we are half way through the 7 year technology phase... this PC should last an easy 3 years without any upgrade and still play whatever the latest game is no worries.

[quote="Jeswen":1gu3g0k0]I ran Crysis on a quad core CPU versus a dual core, with the same clock speed. The results for me were that the fps were the same 90% of the time, until a lot of physics occurred at once, leading to the quad core giving around 5 fps more.[/quote:1gu3g0k0]

Yes same clock speed I'm sure the quad is better, but typically duals are a much higher clock speed and will generally perform better at, well, anything at the moment. This is why I want to "downgrade" for now ince the hardware is so far ahead of the software, my quad is wasting away with 3 cores doing pretty much nothing.

[quote="Jeswen":1gu3g0k0]I don't support blowing a lot of money on a computer because A. it will be outdated in 6 months and B. companies won't utilize it for much longer, making the technology cheaper by the time they do.[/quote:1gu3g0k0]

So, when do you stop waiting? What you just stated happens all the time. If you thought like that, then you would never buy anything new...ever. I have bought like 10 computers in the past, and I always spend a mediocre amount on my parts... and in 18 months it's like "awww I can't run XXXX because it's too phat and my computer sucks.", yet all of my friends who spent like three times the amount can still run the latest crap at full graphics with enough juice spare to run at least 2 more copies at the same time at full graphics.

[quote="Jeswen":1gu3g0k0]Partly the reason why I just do everything on a laptop now. It cost half the price of a good desktop PC, plays Crysis on high at 30 fps and is portable.[/quote:1gu3g0k0]

I don't know what kind of laptop you have, but my MSI GX600 (512gb GeForce 8400M, core 2 centrino, 4gb ddr2 800, etc etc...) doesn't run Crysis at 30fps... at least, not on anything over Low settings. D:

[quote="Jeswen":1gu3g0k0]More power to you if you're Bill Gates in disguise - I guess I'd have 100 PC's for no reason then if I was.[/quote:1gu3g0k0]

I just have one PC and one laptop :/

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Post » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:23 pm

[quote="SoldjahBoy":vzhkq8pk]
I'm 100% sure I understand what you are getting at... are you saying the GPU i the bottleneck in the system or the CPU? I know the CPU is the bottleneck since it is not being used properly YET. I bought it because software will grow into it... I have owned a computer store or at least worked in one for the last 12-13 years, so I'm pretty up with what is going on in terms of hardware advancement. I bought now because we are half way through the 7 year technology phase... this PC should last an easy 3 years without any upgrade and still play whatever the latest game is no worries.[/quote:vzhkq8pk]

I guess I'm saying you didn't need to buy the extra GPU power ... yet.

[quote="SoldjahBoy":vzhkq8pk]So, when do you stop waiting? What you just stated happens all the time. If you thought like that, then you would never buy anything new...ever.[/quote:vzhkq8pk]

I generally skip every other generation of hardware and take a look at upcoming releases. DirectX 11 is coming and they're talking about 12 already.

The cycle doesn't end, and as far as gaming goes, I gave up on PC for the most part. Xbox 360 and PS3 will last 5-6 years and cost tons less. There's a few PC exclusives left, but not nearly enough to blow a huge sum on a PC.

[quote="SoldjahBoy":vzhkq8pk]I don't know what kind of laptop you have, but my MSI GX600 (512gb GeForce 8400M, core 2 centrino, 4gb ddr2 800, etc etc...) doesn't run Crysis at 30fps... at least, not on anything over Low settings. D:[/quote:vzhkq8pk]

Core2Duo @ 2.4ghz, 3 gigs of ram and an 8800M.

[quote="SoldjahBoy":vzhkq8pk]I just have one PC and one laptop :/[/quote:vzhkq8pk]

I'm down to just this laptop and nearly every gaming system on the market. I will never buy a desktop PC again. I used to do exactly what you did, and I guess I just don't care anymore.
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