[RESOLVED] Issue with Kizi / GameDistribution.com

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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 7:29 pm

UPDATE: Since making this post GameDistribution.com have reached out to me apologised and made a fair deal to put things right. I've gone from unhappy with the company to actually very happy with them.

Just wanted to warn other developers about these companies. Kizi and GameDistribution.com are both part of the company Orange Games.

Ted Ursu from Kizi emailed me to ask if he could license my game Super Stacker 2. I had a lot of non-game work on at the time and wasn't taking requests and didn't answer. The next thing I know they have decompiled/stolen my game, added their own branding and adverts and are distributing it via GameDistribution.com (same company) pretending it is their own. On the scale of ethics in web game publishing this is about as low as you can get in my opinion. Even if they haven't stolen your game - if you work with this company are you confident they are ripping you off in other ways? If you are featuring their games on your website I wonder how many stolen games you are featuring without even knowing? I doubt I'm the only dev they have done this to.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 7:53 pm

You mean they cloned it when you declined to license it.

It's a pretty standard practice for something that can't be patented, or given copywrite.

The fact that they asked to license it is what is extra ordinary.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 pm

They re-used all of the art assets, exact level designs, exact name etc. - it's identical. That IS copyrighted material.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 10:46 pm

Ok, then sue em.
Then tell us about it.
Forum rants with no proof are completely useless.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 11:06 pm

Forums are about discussion and sharing information.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 11:11 pm

Ok.
Im saying please prove what you are saying.
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Post » Sat May 12, 2018 11:21 pm

Here it is with Kizi Branding, published by Orange Games on GameDistribution.com:
https://gamedistribution.com/games/super-stacker-2#/

They published it there in 2017.

If you doubt that I published it first you can see my original upload to Newgrounds here in 2009:
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/481558

They do not have permission to use my game with their branding and adverts. If it was a crappy little website decompiling/stealing games sure I get it but Orange Games is a huge company worth millions.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2018 12:04 am

You're warning other devs, but that's probably where the new one came from.
These platforms do little if any vetting, and the game is not that complex.
I would give the theft by an individual a much higher probability than an established company purposely breaking the law.

Best advice, make a DMCA notice, and get a lawyer if it stays up.
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/resources/dmca/
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Post » Sun May 13, 2018 12:26 am

Sent you a PM + thanks for the link.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2018 8:07 am

okgaz wrote:They re-used all of the art assets, exact level designs, exact name etc. - it's identical. That IS copyrighted material.


Turns out the newgrounds games are embedable, you might not be able to sue them, next time check the portal you upload to.

all they did was using the code bellow now the code can be a iframe embed, a frame etc anything that can pull content from online servers... i don't think they personally host your game.

Code: Select all
 <embed src="http://uploads.ungrounded.net/481000\/481558_superstacker2.swf?f1233884077" width="600" height=
"400"></embed>


The code above is on a public server, all they did was free distributing your game, and added their logo on top before loading. the question is .... is that ethical? no ... but newgrounds gives old flash games free in their feed many of the games there end up on automated arcade script websites like kizi websites or arcadeboosterscripts.

What you can do at this point is update your game version, and lock the game on newgrounds portal. that means any embedding would redirect people to your games page on newgrounds, if you code it that way, or you can simply code it to show a image that is " not child friendly " or something, and then contact them back and ask them about that license if they still want it. have fun.


took me 1 minute to figure the code above... the hard part was finding the game source on newgrounds servers. but is pretty visible inside the newgrounds games page if you right click and show source.

im not usually doing this... im just trying to explain is very simple, they don't host your game on their website they just embed it. so you can unite forces with newgrounds and sue them, if that is against newgrounds rules. problem with suing someone for digital work online, is .... money... is that game worth the thousands of dollars to sue someone in some other country? is it generating that much money that you can afford it? are they making that much money that they can pay damages to your business? what are the damages for them doing that outside moral ones? if you don't have a business around that product/game, even if you instant win in court... your reward from a judge would be like % of the game/product/business generating profit, and the court fees paid by the other party. if not then domain locking is your solution.

Edited: kizi.com which is part of game distribution and all kizi related domains... they are a multi million dollar game distribution network... you will definitely get some nice money from suing them if newgrounds rules are against what they did, and you win in court. However ... they have millions of $ and can keep you in court for years... bankrupting you. To be understood i don't encourage you to do this, your life will be in a legislation nightmare for some stupid thing for years. just domain lock your games/content.
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