What payment option would you like to see for Construct 3?

Post » Tue May 23, 2017 5:06 pm

Ashley wrote:
Moot wrote:The bottom line is that they don't care about your opinion.

I'm just baffled how you could come away with this view after both Tom and I have put so much time and energy in to explaining our position and our concerns with the proposed alternatives.


Well quit caring. I wouldn't waste any where near as much time as you do on these boards.


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Post » Tue May 23, 2017 5:39 pm

winkr7 wrote:
Ashley wrote:
Moot wrote:The bottom line is that they don't care about your opinion.

I'm just baffled how you could come away with this view after both Tom and I have put so much time and energy in to explaining our position and our concerns with the proposed alternatives.


Well quit caring. I wouldn't waste any where near as much time as you do on these boards.


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You mean they should stop caring enough to argue against changing their subscription model. Again not the same thing as actually caring that people don't want it. If they actually cared about the opinions of those people, they would do something about it. They don't, so they won't. It's not rocket science. Why is this inflated to them not caring about anything? I'm sure they care about other opinions, especially those that align with their own, just not on this topic of changing the subscription model. I'm really just stating the obvious here. Ask yourself these questions:

Q. Are they going to change their subscription model to make people happy?
A. They said, "No," not unless they are forced to change it.

Q. Do they care more about the vocal minority than the silent majority on this topic of subscriptions?
A. Tom has specifically said they are waiting to see what the silent majority decides about it.

Q. So do they really care that people on this forum don't want the subscription model?
A. No.

Easy Peasy. The fact they care enough to be active on these boards is completely beside the point. I'm glad they care enough to be so active on these forums to support their products. Good product support should be expected.
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Post » Tue May 23, 2017 10:52 pm

Moot wrote:If you really cared, you would change it.

I think you are just trying to force us to do it the way you want it.
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Post » Wed May 24, 2017 6:07 am

Ashley wrote:
Moot wrote:If you really cared, you would change it.

I think you are just trying to force us to do it the way you want it.


Sounds like jedi mind tricks to me !


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Post » Wed May 24, 2017 6:51 am

The majority of us silent...
So, I think I should speak my point of view:

First, let's agree on one thing - we love the product of Scirra that branded as "Construct". If someone disagrees, I don't know what he is doing here. Moreover, if someone not likes Construct and wants it to be better but not willing to pay - he should reconsider how the world works.

I think nowadays people sometimes forget what is the meaning of money, or never knew what it is.
Money is a currency for exchanging production-effort.
Think about it for a minute...

So, when I'm saying "Shut up and take my money", I mean that I would like to pay Scirra team for their effort and a good product.
When I accept to pay further payments, I'm saying that I want the team to continue to improve the product, I'm investing in the future and securing the success and up-to-date-ness of Construct, and I'm securing the future that I will continue to be an HTML5 game developer.

So, don't act like a child to expect to get things just because you want them.
You are not special, think about others humans (Ashley, Tom...).
Be long-sighted, invest in your future.
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Post » Wed May 24, 2017 9:36 am

Hello people,

I have not read the whole thread or everything about this new product yet; I have, though, read Ash and Tom's posts and some of other people have said, and god, you guys have another thread somewhere about this... fascinating! However, excessive time would be needed for me to complete the reading of the whole discussion.

I just want to point out what attracted me to Construct 2. There are a couple of things:

The first was my desire to create games. I actually ended up watching a youtube video on many different game creation tools, and Construct 2 really stood out from the crowd.

The second was the fact I could buy a permanent licence and own a copy. The free version also did very well to drag me in further, and I have fallen in love with it!

I have extremely limited ability in coding anything, and I'm still yet to finish my first game, but I am very passionate to keep going and protective about my ideas just like everyone else here.

I just hope I will be able to continue my projects without hindrance or it being too costly.

Thank you!

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Post » Wed May 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Ashley wrote:
Moot wrote:If you really cared, you would change it.

I think you are just trying to force us to do it the way you want it.


I was just making a point that people should stop wasting their time trying to convince you to change your pay model because you won't. But because I said you don't care about their opinions on subscriptions, and you wanted to pretend that you do, you're in this weird spot of encouraging more posts of people trying to change your mind, and also not wanting to hear about this topic anymore. Do you really want to encourage it?

lennaert wrote:Sounds like jedi mind tricks to me !


No tricks. People made it more complicated than it really was.

Yura G wrote:The majority of us silent...
So, I think I should speak my point of view:


If you are suggesting you're part of the silent majority, I think posting here kinda defeats the purpose of being silent. Or maybe you want to speak on their behalf?

Everyone seems to want to think the silent majority is on their side. They are silent because they have people that share their views and are already defending them in this forum. Or they are silent because they disagree with what people are saying and don't want to get involved. Has anyone thought that the reason they are silent is because they are not even there at all? How many people bought C2 and don't use it? People do that all the time. Of all the people who purchased C2, I'm willing to bet a lot of them don't even know C3 exists or would even care that is exists. Everyone here seems to live in a bubble. C2 is not nearly as popular as the amount of downloads or the number of accounts suggest. The vast majority of people don't even know an HTML5 game engine exists.

Yura G wrote:So, don't act like a child to expect to get things just because you want them.
You are not special, think about others humans (Ashley, Tom...).


People will voice their opinions regardless if you like it or not. It doesn't mean the are childish. Discussing the difference in views is all part of the process of communicating. And if you are not here to communicate, what are you doing here at all?

Yura G wrote:Be long-sighted, invest in your future.


Sound advice.
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Post » Wed May 24, 2017 4:36 pm

Locking this thread, we're done here and it's just going round in circles - and like the other threads is starting to go downhill. Any similar posts, I'm going to lock them for the interim until we're a few weeks into the launch when everyone has cooled down a little bit.

tldr:

- We're launching subscriptions
- We've listened to your comments and suggestions (which has give us some thought/ideas for the future)

I understand some of our decisions aren't what people were hoping for, but we're risk takers - always have been always will be. We're excited to see what the future brings for Construct.

There have been a few very thoughtful and well thought out posts, thank you everyone for taking the time to write them.

I'm sure most people would agree at this point our time is better spent improving Construct!
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