What payment option would you like to see for Construct 3?

Post » Fri May 12, 2017 3:39 pm

I've been very critical in the past too, even a bit harsh with my comments at times, but it's time to accept that C3 is subscription based and that's it. Pay for it or don't. Everything that needed to be said has been said. Let's all be reasonable people and move past this discussion. Let's not poison this forum and ruin other's enjoyment. We should all go our separate ways, if we must. If C3 isn't for you, there are other options available to you and more will pop up.

We all like making games, so let's just have fun doing that.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:05 pm

tunepunk wrote:I will still maintain that anyone claiming "lockout" doesn't really have valid reason to make a fuzz. That's just my personal opinion... I just feel that people claiming "lockout" and then tries drive an agenda to get some kind of "free access" after their subscription runs out, why?


With many other subscription based software, when the subscription ends you stop getting updates but you still have the last available version to access and edit your projects. That's why people are complaining about a edit lockout.

We can't do that with the online version of C3, since Scirra want to maintain a single version which is fair enough, hence my proposal to allow edit access with the standalone version.

All it would really require is restricting the download/update of the standalone version to current subscribers, same way export services are restricted to current subscribers, with the onus being on users to download a version before their subscription ends.

3DPiper wrote:How about if the subscription was just to export your game. You pay once for the software and get exports for a year, then after that you only pay to export your game. You can open/edit/preview your game, but not export unless you pay.


I had suggested something like that previously, but Ashley has stated elsewhere that he doesn't want to go down the paid exporter route of some of their competitors.

On reflection, I can sort of see the reasoning behind this, as there would probably be complaints from some users about why you have to pay for all export options when you only want to export to Android/apk, for example.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:14 pm

Tom wrote:
Can please @tom clarify what happened there?


Yes, look at his profile he was hacked. The hacker who hijacked his account also attempted to hack our store which caused problems for our sellers (now resolved). The store hack damage was limited to items being taken off sale for a period of 1 or 2 days. No other damage was done as other safeguards worked fine.


Thanks for letting us know what happened with @X3M. I was planning to use the as-yet-unreleased version 1.0 of B3D for my project, but it looks like I will need to fall back to Q3D until development on B3D resumes.

I still have my fingers crossed for someone to port one of the 3D plugins to C3. In their current forms, Q3D and and B3D add a lot of functionality to C2, but losing @X3M is a big blow to my hopes of a C3 port.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:17 pm

My next suggestion is the pay per event type method.
10 cents for triggers
25 cents for if then types
50 cents for an else
50 dollars for each "for each object", or "every tick"

Yeah, some of y'all are gonna be broke.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:19 pm

For all those throwing in comparisons with other products .....

Just because my neighbor drives a Ferrari, doesn't entitle me to having one neither.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:30 pm

We hear you loud and clear RE monthly option. Right now as someone else guessed we're too close to change anything. We've had discussions in the office which we're all quite positive about where once you've paid for your first year you can then pay monthly.

Again, this is only internal discussions at the moment, and there's no rush to implement this as we've got a lot of other things to be getting on with and if we did implement it it would take a year before anyone could take advantage of it anyway.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:32 pm

OddConfection wrote:We can't do that with the online version of C3, since Scirra want to maintain a single version which is fair enough, hence my proposal to allow edit access with the standalone version.


This severely complicates support. If someone on a 6 month old version complains about a bug - what do we do? Or, Chrome introduce a breaking change. We have to go back and update every single version. This quickly becomes a maintenance nightmare. We prefer to just have everyone on the latest and greatest version.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:33 pm

newt wrote:My next suggestion is the pay per event type method.
10 cents for triggers
25 cents for if then types
50 cents for an else
50 dollars for each "for each object", or "every tick"

Yeah, some of y'all are gonna be broke.


:shock:

I know Ashley, Tom and the Scirra team deserve more money, but that would make them instant millionaires if half the capxs people ask for help on were imported into C3 :)

lennaert wrote:For all those throwing in comparisons with other products .....

Just because my neighbor drives a Ferrari, doesn't entitle me to having one neither.


Half the requests for new features are based on what other products have, why can't that apply to the business model also?

I'm not saying we're entitled to everything others have, I'm just saying what I think is more likely to make people buy/rent Scirra's product.
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:40 pm

OddConfection wrote:
lennaert wrote:For all those throwing in comparisons with other products .....

Just because my neighbor drives a Ferrari, doesn't entitle me to having one neither.


Half the requests for new features are based on what other products have, why can't that apply to the business model also?

I'm not saying we're entitled to everything others have, I'm just saying what I think is more likely to make people buy/rent Scirra's product.


Yes, so ,... you have done a marketing research have you ?
Or just on the products that suited you ?
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Post » Fri May 12, 2017 4:43 pm

Tom wrote:
OddConfection wrote:We can't do that with the online version of C3, since Scirra want to maintain a single version which is fair enough, hence my proposal to allow edit access with the standalone version.


This severely complicates support. If someone on a 6 month old version complains about a bug - what do we do? Or, Chrome introduce a breaking change. We have to go back and update every single version. This quickly becomes a maintenance nightmare. We prefer to just have everyone on the latest and greatest version.


As with C2, if someone complains about a bug in an old version, they are told they need to update first, which in this case would mean re-subscribing - which to me is fair enough, as one of the benefits of subscription is updates and bug fixes.

And I'm not suggesting that Scirra actually maintains old versions either, only that the standalone stops getting updates. If a user didn't download a version before their subscription ended or they accidentally delete it, then they are out of luck and need to subscribe again.

Tom wrote:We hear you loud and clear RE monthly option. Right now as someone else guessed we're too close to change anything. We've had discussions in the office which we're all quite positive about where once you've paid for your first year you can then pay monthly.

Again, this is only internal discussions at the moment, and there's no rush to implement this as we've got a lot of other things to be getting on with and if we did implement it it would take a year before anyone could take advantage of it anyway.


Thank you for listening, and that does sound like a reasonable compromise for some of the concerns people have raised.

And it's perfectly understandable that you are too far along with your current plans to change everything right now, so I for one appreciate that you are willing to make changes, even if they are a year away.
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